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[Knogle]

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http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/p...opteron-system-zum-rendern-3.html#post7601944

 

[Vladimir1]

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Hello,

First of all I wanna say that I am new to this forum and this forum was recommended to me by a friend who says I can post in English here.
Please do note that I am not German so I barely know the German language, hopefully posting in English is alright here .

Alright so, few days ago I had just ordered a new ( used ) CPU, an Intel Xeon E5620 quad core 2.4 GHz

So, I was wondering what do you guys think for this CPU, would be even better to see someone's opinion who already had the same CPU or has it still.
Basically, the processor was cheap on eBay so I thought why not give it a chance, I doubt I can find a better processor for the same price ( 20 euros + free shipping ), though the cheapest motherboard costs much more than that, about $82 ( MSI X58 Pro )

Im gonna use it for internet browsing, video editing ( Adobe After Effects/ Premiere Pro/ Sony Vegas Pro ) though not heavy editing, just 1080p and perhaps gaming a little bit.

I currently own an AMD Athlon X2 240 2.8 GHz dual core CPU, so I guess any quad-core CPU will be a huge upgrade for me basically in everything, especially in video editing where more cores are always better, however I need your opinion for the CPU for both video editing and gaming.

Oh, I also plan to overclock it to about 4 GHz or a bit less, not more than 4 though because I have never done overclocking so I dont wanna risk anything, though at another forum I was told that 4 GHz is a very aggressive overclock and that I should be happy if I can overclock it to let's say 3 GHz.
What do you guys think about that, does it make sense ?

Thank you,

I'll be looking forward to read your replies here

 

[Knogle]

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Ich hab ihm empfohlen hier zu posten
Die Foren haben den irgendwie gesagt das er mit seinem Athlon X2 besser dran waere als mit dem Xeon E5620

 

[EmiliaMaximus]

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Die Kühlung ist in meiner Kiste recht effektiv. Bilder kann ich leider erst im September schicken.
Aufrüsten in Form eines Neukaufs der alten Hardware möchte ich nicht. Wäre aber bereit, das Gerät, also x58MB, 12gbEcc, Laufwerk, quadro oder gtx750ti und Gehäuse + 85% NT gegen ein MB mit evtl RAM zu tauschen. Falls jemand hier Interesse hat, sehr gerne!

 

[euMelBeumel]

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@Vladimir1:

Welcome to our forum. The E5620 has a smaller multiplier, than the other most mentioned CPUs in this thread (18x, Turbo: 20x). If you want to go to constant 4GHZ, you have to use a BCLK above 220MHz, which is not supported by many mainboards. Turbo 4GHz are more realistic, therefore you need 200MHz BCLK - most boards will work with that frquency. But even with 3,6GHz the CPU will be faster than your Athlon X2. With selling your old platform you can get a cheap power boost.

@EmiliaMaximus:

Verkaufsangebote nur im Marktplatz, sonst kann es Ärger geben

 

[Knogle]

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@eumel:

Ich kassier da irgendwie immer ne rote Karte ;D

 

[euMelBeumel]

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Wo jetzt? Im Markt oder im restlichen Forum?^^

 

[Knogle]

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Wo jetzt? Im Markt oder im restlichen Forum?^^

Ja hier bestimmt schon 10 Verwarnungen wegen MP Regel, obwohl ich bis dahin nichtmal was in den Marktplatz reingestellt habe

 

[euMelBeumel]

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Na wenn du hier z.B. schreibst, ich biete euch CPU XY an, dann gilt das als Verstoß. Steht aber auch in den Regeln drin

 

[Vladimir1]

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Hey,

Thank you for your reply.

The motherboard that I will use for this CPU will be MSI X58 Pro
MSI X58 Pro MS-7522 LGA 1366 für i7 CPUs GBit LAN RAID 6x DDR3 Slots inkl Blende 0816909054484 | eBay

And the cooler that I will use will be " Alpenföhn EKL Brocken "
Alpenföhn EKL Brocken FÜR Sockel 775 1366 27971 | eBay

What do you think for both the motherboard and cooler ?
Will the cooler do a good job with the CPU being overclocked at 4 GHz ?
Is the motherboard good for overclocking this CPU ?


Also, correct me if Im wrong but there is no need of raising the BCLK to 220 MHz, that would be too much, dont you think leaving it at 211 would be perfectly fine ? 211 x 19 = exactly 4 ghz, exactly what I need.
Are there any disadvantages of changing the core multiplier to 19 instead of the default 18 ?

Looking forward to read your next reply.

 

[rottwag]

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Welcome to this Forum! It is really a huge threat running longer than one year!
Sorry for typos and weird words as I am typing this with my Smartphone.

The e5620 is 32nm what is good. Not too good is the Multi of only 18. (18x133=2,4Ghz).
To overclock properly, you need to find out the max BLCK. To do this, follow this:

PS: Before you start, set manu RAM settings and set umcore to double freq of your RAM. Disable any spread spectrum setting to increase stabiliy. Turn on load line calibration: this avoids that VCore drops with CPU Load. Many recommend to turn it off AS it Harms the CPU - but this is not the case AS long you use low VCore (below 1,275V).

#1 max out the BLCK
Firstly set the VCore voltage to a fix standard setting (1,25) and qpi Voltage to 1,25V AS you need this for running BLCK above Intel specs, lower the Multi to 12 and Start raising the blck ( what is the same AS the FSB in former CPU Generations):

12x160=1,92Ghz
12x165=1,98Ghz
12x170=2,04Ghz
12x175=2,10Ghz
12x180=2,16Ghz
12x185=2,22Ghz
12x190=2,28Ghz
...
PS: keep in mind to keep your RAM freq weithin specs while increasing BLCK. If you get above specs, +0,07 extra V is no Problem (for instance up to 1,57v instead of 1,50V)

Between each raise, run Cinebench R15 three times (Multi core bench). Watch the temps while doing that - more than 70C I would not recommend as you might get too high temps with prime later.
If any run of CB15 crashes or Computer reboot with blue screen. The step before is probably the last stabile one (to make sure, run prime for 3 hours with target BLCK). If the temps are quite low, you could think of raising the voltage of the qpi Voltage, VCore or IOH Voltage one step to See if you get this BLCK step stable AS well possibly.

#max out CPU freq
Assuming, your final stable BLCK is 185, you can now Start raising the Multi step by step:

13x185=2,41Ghz
14x185=2,59Ghz
15x185=2,78Ghz
16x185=2,96Ghz
17x185=3,15Ghz
18x185=3,33Ghz

Run CB 15 three times Before you move on to next multi. AS BLCK keeps fix, increasing stabily can only be reached by more VCore. AS heat increases heavily with every extra voltage you give your CPU, be carefull and keep your eyes on the temps. More than 75c in prime I think is not acceptable for 24/7 usage.


Comment: deactivating Hyperthreating, or any energy saving Mechanismus increases overclock stabiliy, but honestly, I would keep it turned on to make your PC cooler, more quiet and longtime reliable.

Happy to help
Andy

 

[euMelBeumel]

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rottwag said everything what is important. According to your configuration: the MSI board is said to be not the best to overclock, but maybe you are lucky and you get good example. There are always good and bad board irrespective which manufacturer you look at.
Regarding the "Brocken" I have no idea since I am using watercooled components.

 

[Vladimir1]

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Thank you very much for your message, rottwag, as well as euMelBeumel !
I'll make sure I do the same what you said once I receive all of my ordered items ( cpu, motherboard and cooler )

Im still being curious about what's the max I can overclock this CPU ? I mean I dont really wanna go " too much " but I was really hoping to get 4 ghz, but I just saw your comment which says that the motherboard I will buy is not really the best to overclock, so can you tell me what frequency can I get my E5620 to with the motherboard and cooler I stated above ?
If 4 ghz is impossible, will it be safe to reach let's say 3,6 ghz or something ?

Please remember, I dont wanna risk damaging my CPU, so I'll overclock as long as it's safe, if 3,33 ghz is the max then so it be.

 

[Olstyle]

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In the end it all comes down to the individual quality of both your CPU and your motherboard. There are no guaranteed over clocking results.
That being said, normally 3,6GHz can be reached by nearly all S1366 CPU without much Voltage added. 4GHz is another beast and I wouldn't count on that. Especially considering the bclk your CPU would need.

 

[rottwag]

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Agreed. Due the low Multi of your CPU, you need a high BLCK what you only tend to get with boards that were made for this.
I won't expect mich more than 190 BLCK.

If you want 4Ghz, have a look at a X5670 or above (Multi is 22 and higher) or w3670 or above (24 and higher) or if 4 cores are sufficient then x5667 and above (23 and higher).

Avoid CPUs that begins with w34, w35 and x55 AS those are 45nm and get much hotter than the 32 nm versions.

Greetz

 

[enta]

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I don´t now how the Xeon runs with the x58, but i have a I7 980x on a relatively crappy P6T SE and was able
to crank it up to 4Ghz rockstable under water.

Could ist possibly be better to run an old extreme edition on a x58 board, or am i wrong?

 

[Knogle]

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Naja ich denke 200BCLK sind mit den MSIs drin

 

[shadie]

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I don´t now how the Xeon runs with the x58, but i have a I7 980x on a relatively crappy P6T SE and was able
to crank it up to 4Ghz rockstable under water.

Could ist possibly be better to run an old extreme edition on a x58 board, or am i wrong?

The P6T SE is an X58 MB....

 

[enta]

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I thought we are talking about x58

 

[euMelBeumel]

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P6T SE is crappy? Hmm thought it would be quiet a good board. I think the Xeon runs as good as an "normal" i7, there is no difference. 200 BCLK is not possible with every board, as Olstyle mentioned, you need little bit luck. My board goes to 220 BCLK, nice to have but I simply use 200.