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Punkte fehlen scheinbar

MacDidi

Komplett-PC-Käufer(in)
Hi!

Bin schon lange dabei, habe aber aus verschiedenen Gründen zwischendurch immer mal wieder unterschiedlich lange pausiert. Zuletzt habe ich den aktuellen Client runtergeladen, Nutzername und Team sowie Passkey eingegeben und losgelegt. Meine Kiste läuft zwar nicht ständig, schafft aber ab und an schon etwas weg. Mir fällt dabei aber auf, dass trotz abgeschlossener WUs meine Punkte irgendwie nicht bzw. nur selten mal mehr werden. Das verunsichert mich etwas. Mir wird angezeigt, dass eine WU x-tausend Punkte bringt, nur irgendwie erscheinen die nirgends.
Hat da jemand ne Idee?

Gruß

MacDidi
 

brooker

F@H-Team-Member & F@H-Moderator
Hallo Didi, schön das Du mit dabie bist :daumen: Bitte gebe uns ein wenig mehr Informationen. Was für eine WU hast Du wann gerechnet und fertiggestellt? Wann wurde diese gesendet? Was sagen die Log-Daten? Ich bin sicher, mit diesen Infos finden wir den Grund.

Grüße brooker
 
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MacDidi

Komplett-PC-Käufer(in)
Ich such mal nach der Log-Datei :-)

Das habe ich erstmal gefunden:

*********************** Log Started 2016-03-13T09:46:34Z ***********************
09:46:34:************************* Folding@home Client *************************
09:46:34: Website: Folding@home
09:46:34: Copyright: (c) 2009-2014 Stanford University
09:46:34: Author: Joseph Coffland <joseph@cauldrondevelopment.com>
09:46:34: Args:
09:46:34: Config: C:/ProgramData/FAHClient/config.xml
09:46:34:******************************** Build ********************************
09:46:34: Version: 7.4.4
09:46:34: Date: Mar 4 2014
09:46:34: Time: 20:26:54
09:46:34: SVN Rev: 4130
09:46:34: Branch: fah/trunk/client
09:46:34: Compiler: Intel(R) C++ MSVC 1500 mode 1200
09:46:34: Options: /TP /nologo /EHa /Qdiag-disable:4297,4103,1786,279 /Ox -arch:SSE
09:46:34: /QaxSSE2,SSE3,SSSE3,SSE4.1,SSE4.2 /Qopenmp /Qrestrict /MT /Qmkl
09:46:34: Platform: win32 XP
09:46:34: Bits: 32
09:46:34: Mode: Release
09:46:34:******************************* System ********************************
09:46:34: CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 CPU @ 3.60GHz
09:46:34: CPU ID: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 60 Stepping 3
09:46:34: CPUs: 8
09:46:34: Memory: 15.94GiB
09:46:34: Free Memory: 13.74GiB
09:46:34: Threads: WINDOWS_THREADS
09:46:34: OS Version: 6.2
09:46:34: Has Battery: false
09:46:34: On Battery: false
09:46:34: UTC Offset: 1
09:46:34: PID: 4672
09:46:34: CWD: C:/ProgramData/FAHClient
09:46:34: OS: Windows 10 Pro
09:46:34: OS Arch: AMD64
09:46:34: GPUs: 1
09:46:34: GPU 0: ATI:5 Curacao Pro [Radeon Rx 270/370]
09:46:34: CUDA: Not detected
09:46:34:Win32 Service: false
09:46:34:***********************************************************************
09:46:34:<config>
09:46:34: <!-- Folding Core -->
09:46:34: <core-priority v='low'/>
09:46:34:
09:46:34: <!-- Folding Slot Configuration -->
09:46:34: <cause v='ALZHEIMERS'/>
09:46:34:
09:46:34: <!-- Network -->
09:46:34: <proxy v=':8080'/>
09:46:34:
09:46:34: <!-- Slot Control -->
09:46:34: <power v='FULL'/>
09:46:34:
09:46:34: <!-- User Information -->
09:46:34: <passkey v='********************************'/>
09:46:34: <team v='70335'/>
09:46:34: <user v='MacDidi'/>
09:46:34:
09:46:34: <!-- Folding Slots -->
09:46:34: <slot id='0' type='CPU'/>
09:46:34: <slot id='1' type='GPU'/>
09:46:34:</config>
09:46:34:Trying to access database...
09:46:34:Successfully acquired database lock
09:46:34:Enabled folding slot 00: READY cpu:7
09:46:34:Enabled folding slot 01: READY gpu:0:Curacao Pro [Radeon Rx 270/370]
09:46:34:WU00:FS01:Starting
09:46:34:WU00:FS01:Running FahCore: "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient/FAHCoreWrapper.exe" C:/ProgramData/FAHClient/cores/web.stanford.edu/~pande/Win32/AMD64/ATI/R600/Core_21.fah/FahCore_21.exe -dir 00 -suffix 01 -version 704 -lifeline 4672 -checkpoint 15 -gpu 0 -gpu-vendor ati
09:46:34:WU00:FS01:Started FahCore on PID 8644
09:46:34:WU00:FS01:Core PID:8680
09:46:34:WU00:FS01:FahCore 0x21 started
09:46:34:WU01:FS00:Starting
09:46:34:WU01:FS00:Running FahCore: "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient/FAHCoreWrapper.exe" C:/ProgramData/FAHClient/cores/web.stanford.edu/~pande/Win32/AMD64/Core_a4.fah/FahCore_a4.exe -dir 01 -suffix 01 -version 704 -lifeline 4672 -checkpoint 15 -np 7
09:46:34:WU01:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 8728
09:46:35:WU01:FS00:Core PID:8764
09:46:35:WU01:FS00:FahCore 0xa4 started
09:46:35:WU01:FS00:0xa4:
09:46:35:WU01:FS00:0xa4:*------------------------------*
09:46:35:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Folding@Home Gromacs GB Core
09:46:35:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Version 2.27 (Dec. 15, 2010)
09:46:35:WU01:FS00:0xa4:
09:46:35:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Preparing to commence simulation
09:46:35:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Ensuring status. Please wait.
09:46:35:WU00:FS01:0x21:*********************** Log Started 2016-03-13T09:46:35Z ***********************
09:46:35:WU00:FS01:0x21:Project: 11401 (Run 7, Clone 13, Gen 49)
09:46:35:WU00:FS01:0x21:Unit: 0x000000648ca304f255de8ee49f3ccb73
09:46:35:WU00:FS01:0x21:CPU: 0x00000000000000000000000000000000
09:46:35:WU00:FS01:0x21:Machine: 1
09:46:35:WU00:FS01:0x21:Digital signatures verified
09:46:35:WU00:FS01:0x21:Folding@home GPU Core21 Folding@home Core
09:46:35:WU00:FS01:0x21:Version 0.0.17
09:46:43:WU00:FS01:0x21:Completed 0 out of 5000000 steps (0%)
09:46:43:WU00:FS01:0x21:Temperature control disabled. Requirements: single Nvidia GPU, tmax must be < 110 and twait >= 900
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Looking at optimizations...
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Working with standard loops on this execution.
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Previous termination of core was improper.
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Going to use standard loops.
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Files status OK
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Expanded 825293 -> 1397768 (decompressed 169.3 percent)
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=825293 data_size=1397768, decompressed_data_size=1397768 diff=0
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Digital signature verified
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Project: 9031 (Run 427, Clone 1, Gen 103)
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:
09:46:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Entering M.D.
09:46:49:19:127.0.0.1:New Web connection
09:46:50:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Using Gromacs checkpoints
09:46:50:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Mapping NT from 7 to 7
09:46:50:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Resuming from checkpoint
09:46:50:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Verified 01/wudata_01.log
09:46:50:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Verified 01/wudata_01.trr
09:46:50:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Verified 01/wudata_01.xtc
09:46:50:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Verified 01/wudata_01.edr
09:46:51:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 111925 out of 250000 steps (44%)
09:47:08:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 112500 out of 250000 steps (45%)
09:48:30:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 115000 out of 250000 steps (46%)
09:49:48:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 117500 out of 250000 steps (47%)
09:51:05:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 120000 out of 250000 steps (48%)
09:52:21:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 122500 out of 250000 steps (49%)
09:53:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 125000 out of 250000 steps (50%)
09:55:05:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 127500 out of 250000 steps (51%)
09:56:13:WU00:FS01:0x21:Completed 50000 out of 5000000 steps (1%)
09:56:24:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 130000 out of 250000 steps (52%)
09:57:42:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 132500 out of 250000 steps (53%)
09:58:57:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 135000 out of 250000 steps (54%)
10:00:12:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 137500 out of 250000 steps (55%)
10:01:28:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 140000 out of 250000 steps (56%)
10:02:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 142500 out of 250000 steps (57%)
10:03:59:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 145000 out of 250000 steps (58%)
10:05:14:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 147500 out of 250000 steps (59%)
10:05:37:WU00:FS01:0x21:Completed 100000 out of 5000000 steps (2%)
10:06:29:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 150000 out of 250000 steps (60%)
10:07:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 152500 out of 250000 steps (61%)
10:09:06:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 155000 out of 250000 steps (62%)
10:10:45:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 157500 out of 250000 steps (63%)
10:12:23:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 160000 out of 250000 steps (64%)
10:13:40:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 162500 out of 250000 steps (65%)
10:14:56:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 165000 out of 250000 steps (66%)
10:15:08:WU00:FS01:0x21:Completed 150000 out of 5000000 steps (3%)
10:16:11:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 167500 out of 250000 steps (67%)
10:17:27:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 170000 out of 250000 steps (68%)
10:18:41:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 172500 out of 250000 steps (69%)
10:19:57:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 175000 out of 250000 steps (70%)
10:20:23:Saving configuration to config.xml
10:20:23:<config>
10:20:23: <!-- Folding Core -->
10:20:23: <core-priority v='low'/>
10:20:23:
10:20:23: <!-- Folding Slot Configuration -->
10:20:23: <cause v='ALZHEIMERS'/>
10:20:23:
10:20:23: <!-- Network -->
10:20:23: <proxy v=':8080'/>
10:20:23:
10:20:23: <!-- Slot Control -->
10:20:23: <pause-on-battery v='false'/>
10:20:23: <power v='FULL'/>
10:20:23:
10:20:23: <!-- User Information -->
10:20:23: <passkey v='********************************'/>
10:20:23: <team v='70335'/>
10:20:23: <user v='MacDidi'/>
10:20:23:
10:20:23: <!-- Folding Slots -->
10:20:23: <slot id='0' type='CPU'/>
10:20:23: <slot id='1' type='GPU'/>
10:20:23:</config>
10:21:08:Saving configuration to config.xml
10:21:08:<config>
10:21:08: <!-- Folding Core -->
10:21:08: <core-priority v='low'/>
10:21:08:
10:21:08: <!-- Folding Slot Configuration -->
10:21:08: <cause v='ALZHEIMERS'/>
10:21:08:
10:21:08: <!-- Network -->
10:21:08: <proxy v=':8080'/>
10:21:08:
10:21:08: <!-- Slot Control -->
10:21:08: <pause-on-battery v='false'/>
10:21:08: <power v='FULL'/>
10:21:08:
10:21:08: <!-- User Information -->
10:21:08: <passkey v='********************************'/>
10:21:08: <team v='70335'/>
10:21:08: <user v='MacDidi'/>
10:21:08:
10:21:08: <!-- Folding Slots -->
10:21:08: <slot id='0' type='CPU'/>
10:21:08: <slot id='1' type='GPU'/>
10:21:08:</config>
10:21:12:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 177500 out of 250000 steps (71%)
10:22:28:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 180000 out of 250000 steps (72%)
10:23:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 182500 out of 250000 steps (73%)
10:24:33:WU00:FS01:0x21:Completed 200000 out of 5000000 steps (4%)
10:24:58:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 185000 out of 250000 steps (74%)
10:26:13:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 187500 out of 250000 steps (75%)
10:27:27:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 190000 out of 250000 steps (76%)
10:28:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 192500 out of 250000 steps (77%)
10:29:59:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 195000 out of 250000 steps (78%)
10:31:14:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 197500 out of 250000 steps (79%)
10:32:28:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 200000 out of 250000 steps (80%)
10:33:42:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 202500 out of 250000 steps (81%)
10:33:57:WU00:FS01:0x21:Completed 250000 out of 5000000 steps (5%)
10:35:00:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 205000 out of 250000 steps (82%)
10:36:20:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 207500 out of 250000 steps (83%)
10:37:37:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 210000 out of 250000 steps (84%)
10:38:59:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 212500 out of 250000 steps (85%)
10:40:14:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 215000 out of 250000 steps (86%)
10:41:29:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 217500 out of 250000 steps (87%)
10:42:44:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 220000 out of 250000 steps (88%)
10:43:27:WU00:FS01:0x21:Completed 300000 out of 5000000 steps (6%)
10:44:00:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 222500 out of 250000 steps (89%)
10:45:15:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 225000 out of 250000 steps (90%)
10:46:30:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 227500 out of 250000 steps (91%)
10:47:49:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 230000 out of 250000 steps (92%)
10:49:04:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 232500 out of 250000 steps (93%)
10:50:20:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 235000 out of 250000 steps (94%)
10:51:39:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 237500 out of 250000 steps (95%)
10:52:52:WU00:FS01:0x21:Completed 350000 out of 5000000 steps (7%)
10:52:54:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 240000 out of 250000 steps (96%)
10:54:09:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 242500 out of 250000 steps (97%)
10:55:28:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 245000 out of 250000 steps (98%)
10:56:43:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 247500 out of 250000 steps (99%)
10:56:44:WU02:FS00:Connecting to 171.67.108.45:8080
10:56:45:WU02:FS00:Assigned to work server 171.67.108.158
10:56:46:WU02:FS00:Requesting new work unit for slot 00: RUNNING cpu:7 from 171.67.108.158
10:56:46:WU02:FS00:Connecting to 171.67.108.158:8080
10:56:48:WU02:FS00:Downloading 643.70KiB
10:56:48:WU02:FS00:Download complete
10:56:48:WU02:FS00:Received Unit: id:02 state:DOWNLOAD error:NO_ERROR project:9034 run:720 clone:2 gen:0 core:0xa4 unit:0x00000002ab436c9e56982f6bb04db09e
10:57:58:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Completed 250000 out of 250000 steps (100%)
10:57:58:WU01:FS00:0xa4:DynamicWrapper: Finished Work Unit: sleep=10000
10:58:08:WU01:FS00:0xa4:
10:58:08:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Finished Work Unit:
10:58:08:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Reading up to 811512 from "01/wudata_01.trr": Read 811512
10:58:08:WU01:FS00:0xa4:trr file hash check passed.
10:58:08:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Reading up to 746408 from "01/wudata_01.xtc": Read 746408
10:58:08:WU01:FS00:0xa4:xtc file hash check passed.
10:58:08:WU01:FS00:0xa4:edr file hash check passed.
10:58:08:WU01:FS00:0xa4:logfile size: 24549
10:58:08:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Leaving Run
10:58:11:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Writing 1584957 bytes of core data to disk...
10:58:11:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Done: 1584445 -> 1538585 (compressed to 97.1 percent)
10:58:11:WU01:FS00:0xa4: ... Done.
10:58:11:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Shutting down core
10:58:11:WU01:FS00:0xa4:
10:58:11:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
10:58:11:WU01:FS00:FahCore returned: FINISHED_UNIT (100 = 0x64)
10:58:11:WU01:FS00:Sending unit results: id:01 state:SEND error:NO_ERROR project:9031 run:427 clone:1 gen:103 core:0xa4 unit:0x0000006dab436c9e56983486c6b58674
10:58:11:WU01:FS00:Uploading 1.47MiB to 171.67.108.158
10:58:11:WU01:FS00:Connecting to 171.67.108.158:8080
10:58:11:WU02:FS00:Starting
10:58:11:WU02:FS00:Running FahCore: "C:\Program Files (x86)\FAHClient/FAHCoreWrapper.exe" C:/ProgramData/FAHClient/cores/web.stanford.edu/~pande/Win32/AMD64/Core_a4.fah/FahCore_a4.exe -dir 02 -suffix 01 -version 704 -lifeline 4672 -checkpoint 15 -np 7
10:58:11:WU02:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 10200
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:Core PID:2348
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:FahCore 0xa4 started
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:*------------------------------*
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Folding@Home Gromacs GB Core
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Version 2.27 (Dec. 15, 2010)
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Preparing to commence simulation
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:- Looking at optimizations...
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:- Created dyn
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:- Files status OK
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:- Expanded 658637 -> 1401112 (decompressed 212.7 percent)
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=658637 data_size=1401112, decompressed_data_size=1401112 diff=0
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:- Digital signature verified
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Project: 9034 (Run 720, Clone 2, Gen 0)
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Assembly optimizations on if available.
10:58:12:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Entering M.D.
10:58:18:WU01:FS00:Upload complete
10:58:18:WU01:FS00:Server responded WORK_ACK (400)
10:58:18:WU01:FS00:Final credit estimate, 207.00 points
10:58:18:WU01:FS00:Cleaning up
10:58:18:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Mapping NT from 7 to 7
10:58:18:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Completed 0 out of 250000 steps (0%)
10:59:29:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Completed 2500 out of 250000 steps (1%)
11:00:38:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Completed 5000 out of 250000 steps (2%)
11:01:48:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Completed 7500 out of 250000 steps (3%)
 

A.Meier-PS3

Lötkolbengott/-göttin
@MacDidi:
Faltest du die WU's nicht am Stück durch? :huh:

Die Log beginnt bei 44% und wenn du die WU nur mit Pausen faltest, fällt der Bonus ins Bodenlose. :(
 
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MacDidi

Komplett-PC-Käufer(in)
Also könnte es daran liegen, dass ich die Kiste nach der regulären Nutzung runterfahre, weil unterbrochene Abarebitung der WUs übelst honoriert wird?
Werde das mal testen und die Kiste bis morgen Abend durchrödeln lassen. Es müsste dann ja so einiges dazukommen. Vielen Dank schon einmal.
 

A.Meier-PS3

Lötkolbengott/-göttin
Ist leider so dass das Punktesystem Nicht-24/7-Falter wie du einer bist übelst dafür zu bestraft WU's nicht am Stück durchzufaltest. :wall:

Einzige Möglichkeit die du hast trotzdem viele Punkte für die einzelnen WUs zu bekommen, wäre die WU's via Finish fertig zu falten und dann den Rechner entweder manuell oder via Script runterzufahren (http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/f...ng-pc-nach-projekt-finish-herunterfahren.html).
 
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MacDidi

Komplett-PC-Käufer(in)
Danke - mal schauen.

bin ja nicht so der Obertüftler. wenn ich mal Zeit und Lust habe .... :-)
 

brooker

F@H-Team-Member & F@H-Moderator
... das ist schnell gemacht und funktioniert super. Bei Bedarf, werden Sie geholfen ;)
 

Tobias_Ke

Kabelverknoter(in)
Ich hab ein ähnliches Problem. Habe jetzt schon 5 WUs am Stück gefalltet und Punkte müsste teils ca. 40000 geben pro WU. Aber der Score liegt nur bei 35000? Server akzeptiert auch die WUs und beim Upload gabs keine Probleme :(
 

Tobias_Ke

Kabelverknoter(in)
Hallo,

hier mal ein Screenshot mit der zu erwartenen Punktzahl und dann dem erreichten Score.
 

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Tobias_Ke

Kabelverknoter(in)
Ich habe mich unscharf ausgedrückt. Hab die WU *jeweils* am Stück rechnen lassen (bis auf eine). Aber was die 10 WUs bis zum Erreichen des Bonus angeht - ich hab den PCGH Passkey eingegeben, da dachte ich, man bekommt sofort die vollen Punkte?
Komisch finde ich, dass in der Log-File nach Abschluss dann auch ein Punkte-Estimate von ca. 45.000 für die WU steht, aber auf der Webseite dann z.B. heute nur etwa 10.000 an Score hinzugekommen sind.
 

A.Meier-PS3

Lötkolbengott/-göttin
@Tobias_Ke:
Da haben wir den Fehler:
Der Passkey vom Team-Account ist an den Team-Account gebunden > der geht nur da und sonst nirgends.

Du hast also zwei Möglichkeiten:
1. Du faltest auf den Team-Account und verwendest den dortigen Passkey.
2. Du forderst für deinen Account einen eigenen Passkey an und faltest halt eben die 10 WU's ohne Bonus.
 

Tobias_Ke

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Haha, genau ^^ Fürs Zocken is keine Zeit. 2 Kinder müssen beschäftigt werden... Mach das Falten aus Spaß an der Technik und wenns dann mit Photovoltaik vollbracht wird, find ich's noch fantastischer. Der Medizinfortschritt ist natürlich auch wichtig, aber da ich im Medizinbereich arbeite ist mein Gewissen auch so beruhigt, wenn der Faltrechner mal nicht läuft :D
 
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